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i didnt realise this was a thing apparently christianity is less terrible than i thought

looking through people's debates on these things i feel like they need to talk to more atheists

in that like a decent chunk of the pro-hell faction is like 'hey it's important that people are able to choose to reject god because of Free Will' and the anti-hell people are like '??? but why'

and no-one seems really able to empathise with the sort of temperament which would cause you to say 'fuck you god' beyond like, "guess you're just sinful or obstinate" which makes it difficult to argue why free will on such matters is important

in general i feel like religious culture/theology is too like ... deferential and this causes a lot of important human values and instincts to atrophy

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