i feel like if the bp oil spill happened today bp would just fund a disinfo campaign to claim that the majority of complaints about the spill are conspiracy theorists or right wing extremists, and convince everyone that the oil spill actually wasn't a big deal at all
speaking of which reminder that the whole carbon footprint thing is literally a disinfo campaign bp started in response to the oil spill to trick people into thinking that their individual and extremely insignificant choices are the main contributors to pollution, in order to shift responsibility for pollution away from the massive corporations onto individuals like you - despite these corporations pumping out more waste in a day than you'll likely produce in your entire lifespan

@galena
I feel like this is misleading, consumers are *upstream* in the causal chain of corps producing carbon, and definitely not disconnected.

Righting the question would be something like "where can we intervene in what is happening to reduce carbon emissions", where corporations are probably the better node.

(But then! Consumers are *against* high carbon taxes! How could that possibly be 🤔 🤔 )

@galena I apologize, the last sentence was a bit too snarky. Better version would be

"Consumers show their revealed preferences by being against carbon taxes (which are, like, clearly the right way to price this externality). That likely wouldn't be the case if their contribution was minimal."

@niplav @galena Until you realise that carbon taxes will be offset onto the consumer which makes everything worse for the poor and working class... then wonder why they would be against carbon taxes. Because it hits them the hardest.
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@sim @galena
This was the thing I was gesturing at: if consumers have nothing to do with carbon emissions, how come they are hit by carbon taxes?

As for the poor and working class being hit hardest, that seems true, since carbon taxes would probably be proportional to consumption, and richer people probably save/invest more. I consider "there's inequality" a separate problem and to be addressed separately, e.g. by redistribution.

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