@ciphergoth (As a consequence of living out of harmony with the earth, they’d say. I further asserted they view it as punishment.)

@ciphergoth I’d call some forms of environmentalism apocalyptic bc they believe civilization will be destroyed as punishment for living out of balance with the ecosystem. But they do believe that if everyone acted right there would be no apocalypse.

@ciphergoth it depends on whether it’s a punishment or the culmination of existence. The flood in Genesis was because of people’s wickedness. It wasn’t meant to end the world and wouldn’t have happened if enough people besides Noah’s family had kept the faith.

@ciphergoth Sometimes the apocalypse can be averted if everyone is faithful enough

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