also, fun fact: if you go by the earth's history, the global average temperature should be going down. slowly, very slowly, of course, over thousands of years, but it should be going down. instead it's fucking skyrocketing upwards
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(Not trying to dispute AGW)
I notice that I'm confused: from my understanding we came out of an ice age ~15k years ago, with the Holocene glacial retreat.
But looking into this, there's also something called Dansgaard–Oeschger events, which look like they happen every ~4k years.
We also had the Little Ice Age 400-200 years ago, but that abruptly ended with the Industrial revolution, maybe you're claiming that it would've persisted if not for human intervention?
@niplav from my understanding we are in an ice age, in an interglacial period precisely which means that it's not nearly as cold as the maximum of this ice age but still pretty cold (and, importantly, there is still permafrost, differentiating it from a greenhouse period), and that like from historical trends, the average temperature should be going downwards, but instead it's going up more so than the natural short-term fluctuations in temperature should allow for
@chjara Ah, makes sense. Thanks!
(By "historical trends" you mean the trends observed in the little ice age, I reckon)
@niplav well, it seems that the like temperature is on sort of a cycle, right, and we are at the peak of that cycle, so it seems like it should go down, although of course the precise like meaning of that kind of data is disputed, but either way yeah
@chjara Man paleoclimatology is a neat rabbithole