ironically enough both paternalism and market libertarianism require 1, as 2 is likely to lead to either suboptimal outcomes or a tyranny of the unwashed masses, who despise individual rights

only populistic socialism favors 2

a practice of delegating epistemic authority to those blessed by a hierarchy requires inequality and stratified social classes

many of the same people advocate both for obliterating class and trusting science

this is a major contradiction in their ideology

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> a practice of delegating epistemic authority to those blessed by a hierarchy requires inequality and stratified social classes

In order words, it requires Natural Order.

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Even if you respect the authority, respecting epistemic authority like that is for the birds. It's for normies who can't think for themselves.

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@NEETzsche @pee_zombie I am still amazed how effective Appeal to Authority it is as a fallacy against most normies. Create a lie and make it repeat by an "expert" enough times and people will just eat it hook,line and sinker.

@TheMadPirate

It honestly drives me crazy.

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@NEETzsche @pee_zombie Yet we are cursed to see the lemmings eat all that propaganda raw like it was some sort of delicious cuisine.

@TheMadPirate @pee_zombie Growing up in globohomo world, the realisation that castes are natural was a big pill to swallow. Only due to the fake reality I was taught to believe in. It *should* have been taught in school.

I wonder if it's even possible to have public education and not have it be a tool for dysgenics to spread their lies.

@rasterman @pee_zombie Teaching about Natural Order will lead to people realizing that there some people more capable and smarter than others, thus defeating the "equalizing" goal of schools. In other words, schools are meant to "teach the idiot and dumb the genius" so everyone can have an "equal opportunity" in life. Of course that doesn't work and the dumb people become dropouts while the geniuses rebel, only the normies pass through it flawlessly.

@rasterman @pee_zombie Well.... there is an exception that is private schools meant for the elite. Yeah in there they work in the opposite way, to rise the genius and crush the dumb. But then again, that requires parents with big bucks in their pockets.

@TheMadPirate @pee_zombie This makes me thing the Enlightenment was a horrible mistake of history. At least in its non-scientific aspect. European decadence spawned those ideas of equality we deal with until this day.

@rasterman @pee_zombie There is a lot of religious dogma in there. Funny that, as skeptical as they were, they enlightenment thinkers embraced that dogma and rejected the kind of order that nature show us. Dunno...maybe it was a cope-out.

@rasterman @pee_zombie Another hypothesis could that the dogmatic idea of "equality" spawned from enlightenment thinkers rebelling against organized religions, since many religions like Christianity support the idea of Natural Order to some extent, enlightenment thinkers rebelled against that just for the sake to rebelling.

@TheMadPirate @pee_zombie I don't buy this one. Sounds too immature. Maybe with a little more padding.

I think the previous one makes more sense. Abrahamism undermined the ancient world, and in its new incarnation (socialism, feminism, postmodernism, &c) with the same deceits, they undermine the modern world. Back then it was the false promise of liberation from the harshness of nature in the afterlife. Now, it's the liberation of natural law after "revolution". I.e.: overthrowing natural order and replacing it with these ideas that will free the masses from the laws of the universe. (they won't, of course, but the grift requires ignoring that)

@rasterman @pee_zombie That makes a lot of sense yeah.

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