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generally very annoying when the overton window on this stuff is the result of a bunch of chinese whispers rather than talking to boots-on-the-ground folk

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(i think people who do the "we interviewed randomly selected people in an attempt to work out what is going on" thing probably get slightly too much shit though)

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in general this feels less like a "we interviewed people involved who were randomly selected to give a good picture of what this looks like" kind of line and more of a "we must take a Centrist Even-Handed Approach" kind of line

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eg see this thread

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RT @KelseyTuoc
People might think Matt is overstating this but I literally heard it from NYT reporters at the time. There was a top-down decision that tech could not be covered positively, even when there was a true, newsworthy and positive story. I'd never heard anything like it. twitter.com/mattyglesias/statu
twitter.com/KelseyTuoc/status/

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this is of course different from the claim that they are unusually unscrupulous about reporting true things

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i mean aiui compared to most mainstream media the nytimes has a pretty topdown driven culture where they decide what they ~editorial line is and search for stories about it
this is known fact about the nytimes?
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RT @mattyglesias
Am open letter demanding that you stop covering a subject is pretty anti-persuasive.
twitter.com/mattyglesias/statu

like just because *my* subculture phrases this as "we broke up for mono-poly incompatibility reasons" does not mean everyone will see it that way...

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oh shit this is really going to be a Discourse isn't it

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maybe there's some worrying that people being aware happy poly people might cause relationships to break up in the same way people worry about this for gay porn
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RT @pawnofcthulhu
im not sure how easy it is to stop people feeling pressured into mono or poly given these are like ... moral visions of what healthy relationships should look like which are completely at odds with each other
twitter.com/pawnofcthulhu/stat

feels like it sort of comes with its own solution to "oh shit i can't remember their pronouns" problem: well, you shouldn't be tu-ing them then

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how do we feel about the "gendered 3rd person pronouns vs 'they' are a T-V distinction" solution

this is clearly a problem that will be solved by banning teenagers from social media and insisting their parents keep tabs on them at all times & make the only way they can get places using their parents as a chauffeur

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wonder why teenagers today might not feel like they are architects of their own life
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RT @mattyglesias
Among other things I agree with @JillFilipovic that we are probably reaping the fruit of teaching kids to emphasizing their own fragility.

jill.substack.com/p/fear-of-a-
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imo the strategy of "trust people/try to form a model of people's beliefs when they tell you how they think about the world" is very rationalist, a good way to identify new ideas, and also a surprisingly effective way to identify terrible people who shouldn't be in your movement.

the one time i've seen the 'people being pressured into poly because it's the enlightened thing to do' failure mode the person responsible was a radfemmy friend who didn't really know other poly people.

similarly bdsm is great but you shouldn't be learning to do it from porn.

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i guess i'm a conservative libertine when it comes to weird social norms (especially when it comes to sexuality?)

things are likely to work better when people have tried them a lot and there is community/accumulated wisdom

but people have tried a lot more things than you think
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RT @pawnofcthulhu
the problem with the claim 'rationalists/EAs don't care about social norms/skills' is that these things are ... relative to the cultura…
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(there was an awful lot of panic about this: e.g news.stanford.edu/2019/08/21/o without people realising there are more ways to meet people online than through dating apps)

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seems to run counter to the 'the youths are doing all their dating through dating apps' narrative

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